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Jewish World Review /Feb. 12, 1999 /26 Shevat 5759
MUGGER
The Man Who
Matt Drudge, the cyberspace pioneer who's spooked the mainstream press,
e-mailed me last Thursday and asked if he could join the list of
"Hall-of-Famers" who've been interviewed here at New York Press' dumpy
offices. With editor John Strausbaugh and associate editor Andrey Slivka
sitting in, munching on miserable carryout lunch, I was glad to oblige.
As usual, Drudge got in the first word.
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(M)UGGER: I'm too depressed to talk about the White House.
(D): Oh, I'm not. I need Clinton to stay in. I need this son of a b**** to
stay in and keep my hits up.
(M): I think Gore will do just fine for your hits.
(D): Yeah, the one's he's not hitting himself.
(M): What about the David Schippers sex item you had on your site? That
wasn’t reported anywhere else.
(D): What are you talking about? Geraldo was blue in the face last night.
(M): Well, I don’t watch Geraldo.
(D): Well, it’s a million viewers. No, that Schippers thing was wild, and the
pictures they’ve [the National Enquirer] got! All these tabloids, it’s
the battle of the pictures. And they had one hell of a picture with
Schippers there with the two women over his shoulder. My question is,
why does the National Enquirer feel he’s such a superstar? I think
they’re not even worried about sales. Something else has taken over
here.
(M): Well, the National Enquirer, that’s Kendall’s bailiwick.
He doesn’t vet the Clinton stuff but I wonder if he vets the GOP stuff?
So, that was a hell of a scoop. The tabloids are freaked out that I’m
getting their stories before they’re published. I was at this Bar
Association meeting last light where I was on a panel, and some lawyers
for the Star kept saying, "How did you get our DNA trace?" I said it was
so pathetic; I even knew that they were down in Graceland while they
were waiting for the DNA test.
(M): Who are your sources?
No comment. I don’t want to give my sources over to this White House.
And I’ll defy the judge that orders me to do so. I’ve seen what this
White House has done to these people.
(M): The Times editorial page is awful, right in the tank with Clinton.
(M): What do you mean? What problems are those?
(D): Well, the battle between people who want to zip up their pants and who
want to unzip their pants and who think it’s a right thing to do and a
wrong thing to do. I think MTV has led the charge for free sex: As long
as you wear some rubber on you and vote for Democrats, you’re cool. But,
that’s not necessarily the essence of being cool.
But Bill Maher is the classic example of someone who should just retire.
The guy is not funny. Lewinsky has made him ugly and mean and stupid and
hate-filled. And I love going on his show. All you have to do is look at
him and you see that it’s a date with hell. This guy is going nowhere
but down.
(M): What about Dick Morris? You’ve had a lot of fun with him. That was a
great show last week with Morris and Nat Hentoff.
(M): What’s happened to Michael Isikoff? He’s been quiet.
(D): Oh, well, he’s going to have the bombshell book. Isikoff owns the
spring. When his book comes out I think the stories he’s going to tell,
all of them in the first person I understand, are going to be fantastic.
I think the question immediately at Newsweek is why didn’t he put this
junk into the copy? We are the ones, after all, paying him.
(M): The same question could be posed to Howard Kurtz at The Washington Post.
(D): Exactly. Kurtz, I think, left all the good stuff for his book [Spin
Cycle] because this stuff throughout the beginning of this story and
also throughout the Clinton ’96 campaign was dry. As a matter of fact,
Kurtz was writing these weird stories called "Dullsville" about how
Washington was so boring and so sleepy and how nothing is happening. It
was this great "Style" section piece: "Dullsville." Meanwhile, behind
the scenes the President of the United States was scr****g an intern and
his wife, I believe, was approving of it. It was a freak show. It was a
modern hippie freak show and the fact is that Howard Kurtz was an idiot
going to sleep as that was happening. How far is The Washington Post
from the White House? A block and a half. Okay, maybe Kurtz needs to
move to the other side of the country to get some news.
I happen to like Kurtz and he's done some serious s**it to me.
He's the one who's brainwashed the entire Washington press corps to think I'm a
gossipmonger. When it's this guy who's the gossipmonger. I didn't report that Clinton was
lusting after the mummy and Mike McCurry behind the scenes was laughing. I didn't report this
sh**. He reported this sh**.
His trashing of me in May of 1996 made me. They had a full "Style" section profile.
Gossipmonger this. Gossipmonger that. It made me. He called the other day, said, We're going
to do another profile on you. A big one. I said "Goody." I want it. Just get all your adjectives out
and bring your toilet paper or whatever else you need to bring. Because I'm ready for this.
There's a whole dynamic where you don't get famous or successful in this nation right now
unless you're trashed. Whether it be from a Limbaugh to a Clinton to a Drudge. It's the trashing
that elevates you.
(D): Well, this will be in NYPress next week? I suspect it still won’t have
aired. Because I would bet my money that NBC, if they’re ever going to
air it, are going to wait until after the impeachment. These jerks who
are trying to manipulate coverage. I wish they had the courtesy during
Anita Hill to cover her after the Clarence Thomas hearings.
But of
course, they didn’t. I have a problem with Broaddrick because why isn’t
she giving another interview or holding a press conference. Why is Lisa
Myers her honey? I’d tell Lisa Myers to go to hell quickly if she sat on
my interview that was exposing a rapist. So, there’re a lot of problems
with that angle. I think it’s exposed once again that corporate media
isn’t necessarily the way to get news. They feel they have the right to
censor and edit. They would say to be objective and to be courteous and
to make sure that bad reporting doesn’t get out there.
I say that’s
hooey. Rick Kaplan said, How many hours and days and how many witnesses
in the Tailgate thing? The poison gas? Ninety sources? I don’t want any
of those sources. So the fact that NBC would air the allegations last
year during the height of the Paula Jones case days after it was thrown
out and now they’ve got the woman on tape confirming Myers’ story, they
don’t air it because it has to do with Clinton’s darkest hour. I do
believe it would sway senators if a woman gets on national television
saying, "He raped me." Why would that not affect people like Barbara
Boxer, or maybe I give her too much credit.
I don’t want to confuse this issue with Bob Packwood. This Broaddrick
woman, something is not right here because why not go to someone else?
Maybe there is no one else to go to who would air it. I don’t know.
But the pressure that’s come across these women has just been
outrageous and for any liberal to support this guy after what they’ve
done to these women, not just one or two, but five, six, seven, eight,
nine women... I think Jane Does could line up like the Rockettes at
Radio City and do a stage show. It’s now becoming sociopathic beyond any
definition that is in the dictionary. What can I say? I support the
underdog.
(M): Didn't you drop the Free Republic people from your site for a while?
I dropped them because they were doing racist stuff over the [Clinton
love child] and it hit me, one night I was there, I think it was the
first night of the story, maybe it was the second night of the DNA
chase, I click on and I see this headline, "Nigger Baby." And I said, I
don't think I can link to that at this point. Because a lot of new
readers were coming in. The DNA chase had hit Fleet Street big time and
they were saying, Go check Drudge out. And why am I linking to that?
Because they all think it's me.
So the problem is a lot of people don't quite understand the Web yet.
They think MUGGER works for me. They think Army Archerd works for me just
because I have a link. They don't realize that that link is taking them
to Variety or wherever. They think that it's Drudge who's hired these
opinions. So I was getting mail, why are you linking to this site that's
doing all this racial stuff, and it hit me, oh nuts. It was undermining
my credibility on a story that was already too explosive. So I pulled
back.
I've reinstated them since, but the freedom of the press is difficult
in the Wild West of this Internet stuff, which I'm all for because I've
thrived on it, but I do have the power to delink if things get out of
control. Free Republic may not want to censor what people are saying on
their site, that's their choice, but I do have the power to delink them,
as I do with any of my highlights.
(D): I was not happy with that piece. This idiot trying to gauge my accuracy
as he’s writing checks to the Clinton-Gore reelection... He was using
inaccuracies to point out my inaccuracies and I don’t get into the mud
pit with people like that. They’re playing a silly game for Brill to
report simple things that were clearly exclusives as not exclusive.
That’s dirty pool, so I canceled the subscription I never had.
(M): What’s going to happen to the cable shows when this is over? Do you
think Chris Matthews will have to shrink back to a half hour?
(D): I think Matthews was shown to be vulnerable with those John McLaughlin
numbers.
(M): That’s a three-week deal.
(D): Yeah, but it shows you he’s vulnerable. I think they all proceed. I
think Matthews is a damn good television face. I don’t know about five
hours a week, and Geraldo goes wherever the action is, so he’ll move
right on: It’s back to JonBenet. He’ll be out there with the blowdried
hair in Boulder or wherever, screaming, This is outrageous. I remember
his town hall meeting with the JonBenet [people] was great. So he goes
wherever the action is and he throws himself in it. He’s had a great
career with that. I would assume he’ll go right wherever it is. If gold
is found in the hills of Oklahoma, he’ll be out there claiming it’s just
the miracle of miracles...
I think it’s not even worth discussing because in the next year or two
there’s going to be such mayhem in this country and millennium
craziness, everything is going to take care of itself. The mountain of
issues is not going to be the problem, it’s going to be the space in the
newspapers to jam it all in, the airwaves to fill all of it.
(M): Can you amplify that?
(D): How many newspapers are there left to the year 2000, how many covers are
there left? Not many. I think there are a lot of people who want to get
on the cover of newspapers. There’re a lot of issues fighting to get on
the cover of newspapers. I’ve had a few covers, so I’m set. I’m
satisfied. But other people certainly want to get in and I think there’s
going to be an absolute rush to get your Q rating up before the year
2000. The window on the century is closing down and everyone wants to
have made a point, I think, and been a part of it. I think the cable
shows always adapt. Fox news channel has an audience that’s not going
anywhere. Where are they going to go? Back to CNN? I think they’d rather
die than do that. Or turn it off.
So I think the dynamic is set. The volume of viewers for these cable
shows isn’t that great anyway. You’re talking about a cult of maybe four
or five million people watching all the different shows. Or, if you
compare that to a Limbaugh, who gets so many millions of people every 15
minutes, it’s not even comparable. And Limbaugh’s always managed to move
on. And I think the cable shows will too.
(M): What you do on the Web is all content, zero glitz. There’s not a spec of
glitz on that site. You were one of the first people to say, Here’s the
content. It’s all content.
I had my website five years ago, before The New York Times, before The
Washington Post, before CNN, before MSNBC, and they’re trying to tell me
how to do Web journalism? I think people like MSNBC are bastardizing
this new medium, taking this electronic TV junk that’s not really
working and throwing it on the Internet and claiming they’re the
Internet leader in news.
People say, oh Drudge, why aren’t you covering Trent Lott speaking in
front of a racist group? I say, that doesn’t interest me. Maybe Gephardt
speaking in front of a racist group, maybe not. It’s got to be
interesting. I argued this at this Bar Association thing last night.
That’s my first criterion: It’s got to be interesting. And they
pooh-poohed me, saying, "He’s more interested in making it interesting
than the reliability of it."
That is not what I said. Chelsea Clinton’s on the cover of People
because Time Warner thinks she’s interesting, not because there’s any
news value to it.
(M): I think that was on the Today show.
(D): I don't believe it was the Today show. They've got no backbone. After
what the Today show did to me, I won't believe it till I see it.
(M): What did they do to you?
(D): I get up there and give them the biggest story of the year and then I go
and report that there's a dress and there's a DNA chase and Matt Lauer
says, That's ridiculous, and I said, Tell it to Richard Jewell.
Well, Matt Lauer, that's not fair. He's not working with a full deck.
There's a time lapse from what they're telling him in his ear to what he
can say.
(M): Do you have any preference for candidates for 2000?
(D): I’m blank. I’m probably going to take the 2000 election off. The parties
are so disillusioned that there’s no difference between a Trent Lott and
a Bill Bradley. And even the people I would tend to like, like a Pat
Buchanan or a Dan Quayle, have been so marginalized and so freakshowed
out by the same people who think Vernon Jordan’s a
Owns the World
(D)rudge: I wanted to see your place. I didn't necessarily want to subject
myself to this nightmare here. Let me get you involved in some
litigation. Let's take it all the way to the White House! You need some
litigation to get you on the map. Got me on the map!
Drudge
(D): Well, Lewinsky’s not been kind to anybody. It’s polarized everybody.
Bill Maher is no longer funny. Maureen Dowd is no longer cute. It has
absolutely polarized everybody... It’s made people who used to be funny
not funny and people who used to be cute not cute. It’s representative
of a whole generational schism and I think it’s exposed a lot of the
problems we have in this country. Ticking time bomb.
Monica
Well, wait till you see the thing we did last night at this Bar
Association [event]. He was all over the place praising me. I don’t
know... When I think of Dick Morris I think of someone who is struggling
with confidences that were told to him and a conscience that’s telling
him I know about wrongdoing but I can’t tell. It’s conflicting. And
it’ll be interesting to see how that comes out. I would love to
hypnotize Dick Morris and put him under and get the full truth. I’d like
to do that with any of these former Clinton advisers. Because
something’s not right in that White House and we have yet to really get
the true story. I maintain this Clinton/Lewinsky thing has been a
massive coverup. Why none of these people were indicted, I don’t know.
Morris
(M): What do you think is finally going to happen with Lisa Myers’ Juanita
Broaddrick story?
Myers
(M): Why did Steve Brill put you on the cover of his magazine?
I went out to Seattle, I got a tour of the compound up there, the
Microsoft campus, the MSNBC newsroom. It looked no different than your
local TV station. I was thinking, they’re trying to apply the formula
that’s working or may not be working on a local TV level to an Internet
thing, with newsrooms and banks of monitors and clocks. The whole thing
looked like a bad Walter Cronkite dream. How does that apply to a
website?
Cronkite
And the Clintons were really busted because someone
this morning on one of the shows whipped out the earlier Chelsea cover.
This one happened to be with Bill and Hillary and the little Chelsea.
They were promoting her when he was running for president. So they can
use her on the cover of People then, when she was brace-faced. Now when
she's on her own...
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